After working on a Liza for 3 years, we emailed each other the "final beta-version". After that, it still took us 2 years to release the final font, so that beta-wasn’t really beta. All together the development of Liza took five years. Ending up with 2000 (!) emails in a Liza-mailbox, and the folder with all Liza-files on our computers is almost 1 GB (a typeface is ± 300 kB, so calculate the amount of beta-versions yourself). Crazy. We’re very bad in finishing stuff, as we always keep developing new ideas. Sometimes projects just never seemed to come to an end. When we were almost done with Liza for example, we got the idea of the ‘out-of-ink’-feature, which simulates that you’re out of ink while sign painting and you would have to dip the brush into your ink pot again. Cool feature, but it meant we had to draw new glyphs for all letters, and rewrite the code of the complete typeface, another two months of extra work. As long as we think a new idea really adds value to the final product, we do it. No matter the stage of development.